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Katy Perry, Kash Patel, & California Bear Fraud

Episode 36 · April 23, 2026 · 34 min

For once the allegations are about a pop star who isn't a man. XO plays crisis PR manager for Katy Perry as Ruby Rose resurfaces misconduct claims Perry denies, then asks what happened to Kash Patel and the files, and closes with the California man who filed an insurance claim using a bear costume.

About this episode

Ruby Rose has resurfaced allegations of sexual misconduct against Katy Perry from their time around The Voice Australia, and Perry denies them. XO plays Perry's crisis PR manager, trying to get the full story before the next headline, and asks why we rarely hear stories like this about women.

Then XO wonders what happened to the Kash Patel who promised to get to the bottom of everything, and predicts he won't last long. The episode closes on the California man who tried to collect insurance money with footage of a "bear" that turned out to be someone in a costume, and the wildlife biologist who had to confirm it.

  • Katy Perry
  • Ruby Rose
  • Kash Patel
  • Insurance fraud
  • Bear costume

Key moments

  1. 0:00Katy Perry
  2. 5:54XO plays crisis PR manager
  3. 13:55Is this a pattern?
  4. 19:23Kash Patel
  5. 25:08Puppet or weak man?
  6. 27:05California Bear Fraud
  7. 33:49The biologist who had to check

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0:00So, no big deal. You know, let's not make this a big deal. But, Katy Perry is allegedly some sort of deviant. You know, some sort of Bill Cosby adjacent figure. And apparently, people have had problems with her in the past. And I for one was shocked. I didn't know that. I wouldn't have seen it coming. You know, it's it's always men. Anytime you hear of anything like this, it's always a high-profile man. So, Katy Perry is switching it up, everybody. It's it's not confirmed. She's denying everything. She's saying that it never happened. And it should be plural because it's not just one person. But, the public image of Katy Perry is currently being tested by the return of a specific high-profile accusation. At the center of the controversy is actress Ruby Rose. And honestly, I didn't know who that was. I had to look her up. And she's the girl, if you've seen Orange Is the New Black, she's like the Australian girl who who has all the tattoos and puts a tattoo on the main character.

1:02But, she has resurfaced allegations of sexual misconduct involving an incident on the set of The Voice Australia. According to the reports, the accusation centers on an alleged non-consensual encounter where Perry supposedly touched Rose inappropriately during a production break. Look, these things happen. These things happen. I thought I thought I could get away with it. I thought it would be fine. It's not like I'm some slimy man doing this. I'm coming to touch you as Katy Perry. Didn't you know? Didn't you know? I'm Katy Perry. And maybe maybe that's why. You know, maybe that's why she was so bold. Allegedly. Not confirmed. But, maybe that's why she was so bold. It's Katy Perry. You know, who who among us wouldn't feel flattered? You come on uh touch me, have some sort of encounter non-consensually, assuming it's not something crazy crazy.

1:59You know what what she came in, brushed up on you? What what what happened? I need I need details because a non-consensual encounter, that could be so many things. She gave you a hug? You weren't expecting that? It was one of those like European kisses on the cheek and you just wanted to to just give her a handshake, a little hello, how do you do? This isn't what you wanted what you would just assume that this is what I wanted? I don't care about Katy Perry. Maybe maybe but Katy Perry has been Katy Perry for a very long time. Maybe this is innocent. Maybe that's why she's denying everything. Maybe why why she feels like all of this is just a fabrication. It's just it's just Perry's team has moved quickly to dismiss the story issuing a statement that labels the allegations categorically false and a complete fabrication of events. It never happened. It never happened. I'm not sure how things are supposed to to go down.

2:55I'm not sure how things happen in Australia but in America this this is fine. This is okay. I'm Katy Perry. Maybe maybe she maybe she was just trying to to welcome her. It was a a production break. Welcome her to the set. I don't know if they'd been working together for a while. I'm not sure the dynamics here but I'm I'm trying to play devil's advocate. Maybe this was innocent. Maybe this was all very innocent. However, the reason this is gaining such traction in April 2026 isn't just the star power involved. It's the way the Australian media has successfully re-litigated the timeline. New reporting has brought forward witnesses from the 2017 production style turning what was once a he said she said tabloid story into a more formal scrutiny of Perry's behavior on international sets. Okay, so this is this is one of those things you're just you're just lumping together just because we've had other stories of her doing this.

3:58It's It's just a he said, she said tabloid story. You know, this isn't This isn't something that you can actually say holds any weight to it. It's a complete fabrication of events. I'm I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Okay, I've been informed that I'm actually not allowed to apologize because I've done nothing wrong. So, it is unfortunate that the way you have perceived the events in which they had occurred did not actually happen in ways that you thought that it happened. So, we'll leave it at that. We'll leave it at that. It never happened. It's categorically false. It never happened. This isn't an isolated headline for the pop star as the Ruby Rose story has acted as a catalyst for other past claims to resurface including the 2019 allegations made by model Josh Kloss.

4:55It's getting really hard to play devil's advocate. And I'm I can just see I can see Katy Perry's team like just going crazy. You got to tell me everything. You got to tell me everything, Katy. You got to tell me everything. I can't You got to work with me. What I'm on I'm on your side here. I'm on your team. But, you got to tell me everything. You got to trust me. Do you trust me? You got to tell me everything. God. Who Who knew about Josh? Who Who knew about Josh? What What happened? Tell me what happened. What made you What like what happened to make this guy actually what have allegations against you? You A man? You were so aggressive that a man put allegations against you? Is this I'm on your side. I'm on your side. I just need to know what I'm working with. That's the only way we can get ahead of this. I'm on your side. What did you do? What did you do, Katy?

5:54What did you do? Don't don't tell me nothing. This isn't just once. What did you do? This is This is beginning to to look like a pattern. And it's okay. I can work with patterns. I can work with patterns as long as I see the full picture. What did you do? What happened with Josh Claus? Prepare the challenge isn't just denying a single event, it's fighting a narrative that suggests a pattern of behavior. It's It's It keeps happening. It keeps happening. What's going on? Are you okay? What happened with Josh? I think I think maybe this this really is just a case of somebody that feels like what they do is innocent. Maybe. There's no way that this can be that bad. And of course people are going to use this as a way to to dredge up any other that has been in Katy Perry's life.

6:56So, I'm trying to I'm trying to be the devil's advocate here. I'm trying to look at this from both sides. So, calm down. I'm not trying to put this lightly. I'm not trying to just you know, brush off the stories of these alleged victims. And in the the hunt these these people on the internet that have nothing better to do, they found an old interview from like 12 years ago or something like that where another actor went on to a talk show and started talking about a running that they had with Katy Perry. And uh this is the actor Anna Kendrick. So, Anna Kendrick, everyone. So many Katy Perry finger banged my cleavage. It was a weird night. I'm going to stop it there. I'm going to You got to tell me everything, Katy. You got to tell me everything. What happened? What happened?

7:52What did you do? What did you do to Anna? What did you do? You her clea- What What happened? Why? Why do you keep putting us in these in these situations? Did you know about this? Who Who knew about Who knew about this? Who knew? You got to loop me in. I'm on your side here. She's very mature. Okay. She just does that? SHE JUST DOES THAT?

8:27I WAS KIND OF ASKING for it. No. No. No. No. No. You got to tell me everything. You got to tell me everything. We have victims coming up and they're already blaming themselves. Tell me in any other situation. On the real. On the real. Tell me any situation where a man does that and the girl just says, "Oh, well, you know, I was just asking for it." And maybe this is because, "Hey, I got I got the spotlights on me right now. I'm on TV." I wasn't I wasn't saying this to accuse Katy Perry. It's not like she ever made any sort of accusation or filed any sort of report. It wasn't ever anything like that. It was just an innocent little Okay. It's what you do. You come up and you put your fingers down in my cleavage. I was asking for it. I had I had a dress on and I was asking for it. It was going to happen. It was going to happen eventually. I'm I'm glad it was Katy.

9:24I'm glad it was Katy. If I If nobody done that, I would have been a little sad. This is I want to I This was an unplanned If nobody would have done it, I would have been a little sad. This is This is what you're doing to people. Because I'm I'm starting I was trying to play devil's advocate, but it's it's getting really hard. It's getting really hard. Look what you're doing to people. If nobody would have done that, this is the way that she's what? Getting getting her job. She's literally flipped it where she thinks it's her fault. And if nobody would have done that to her, you know what? I'm glad Katy did it. And if nobody would have done it, it means I wasn't attractive. It means I didn't do my job. I didn't make an impact. Because nobody came up and fingerbanged my cleavage. And I don't know how aggressive that she was with it. Maybe it was just a little twirl, like a little spear finger action, you know? Maybe it was just just straight in, jabbing in and out.

10:20It's a so maybe pew pew. I don't I don't know. These are questions that that honestly, they should just be cast aside. They don't matter. They don't matter because this is this is a a pattern. This is a pattern. This isn't just once. Back then, this was you know, this was like what? 12 years ago? This was okay then. This was okay. This was innocent then. People who weren't worried then because this was just like a a one-off story. They weren't worried. Now, they're starting to tie all of this together. Now, they're starting to think that you're a problem. Are you a problem, Katy? Are you a problem? Are you a problem? moment and I want to stay right here. Yeah. Paint the scene. So, you're standing still and Katy Perry walks by and I I have met her before and yeah, she's like a That's her thing. Yeah, you know, she's aggressive. I like it.

11:15Okay. I I need you to tell me everything, Katy. Based on that story. I've met her before and that's just her thing. This has happened before. I'm just telling you the most recent encounter. This has happened before. How many people get finger banged by Katy Perry? How many people? How many people are finally going to come forward and say, "You know what? I actually did get finger titty banged. I got cleavage banged. I got finger banged in my cleavage." I'm sorry. I I'm not sure how they're going to word it, but they they they need to come forward. They need to group together. They're not alone. This isn't just one encounter. What did you do? Katy, what did you do? Tell me about Anna. Tell me about Josh. Tell me about Ruby. What did you do? And the the allegations that Ruby Rose had, it's not just something that was um like, you know, it's just it was a brief encounter that was non-consensual.

12:19She she got into the actual details. So, I'm going to pull this up. I'm going to pull up the actual details of uh this alleged misconduct. Let's see because it might have just been it might have just been a finger bang. Maybe that was it. So, um all right. All right. So, Rose alleged that Perry, now 41, saw me resting on my best friend's lap to avoid her and bent down, pulled her underwear to the side, and rubbed her disgusting vagina on my face until my eyes snapped open and I project I vomited on her. What the What? Hold on.

13:10Katy, you got to tell me everything. I'm on your side. I'm on your side. You said this was just a a a brief encounter. How did this How did this happen? During a production break? During a production break you did this? What What is going on? What is happening? Please tell me this isn't true. Please tell me. I I I I still want you as a client. Please stop crying. It's okay. We love you. We love you. We've made a lot of money together. I just I need to know the details. I need to know what's going on. I need to know that everything will be all right. This isn't just another finger bang, Katie. This isn't just another finger bang. Let's

13:54Let's not focus on Josh. Let's not focus on that. They're They're in the past. People will stop talking about that eventually. They're trying to lump that in. it. The main thing that we have to worry about is this allegation right here. She said that you saw her resting on her best friend's lap. And then she tried to avoid you and she bent down. Is this Is this something that has happened before? With with Miss Rose? Have you done this to Ruby before? I just need to know. I need to know. This is a no judgment zone. This is the circle of trust. We are good right here. I just need you to know that. Have you done anything else? Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ. Okay. Okay. Okay. So, she bent over She bent down. She tried to avoid you. You went over there. Did you say hey?

14:50Did you say anything? No, you you said nothing. You You said nothing. Okay. You just pulled your underwear to the side and rubbed your disgusting vagina on her face until her eyes snapped open and she project vomited. Oh my god. What is No judgment. No judgment. No judgment.

15:13It's okay. We're going to be all right. Rose also wrote that as a woman for a myriad of reasons, opening up about woman-on-woman violence and sexual abuse seems to be a hundred times harder than speaking about the male predators, at least for me. This is uh the star said that she is not interested in filing report over this. So, what do you what do you do I guess there's no way you could prove it. There's no way you could prove it. There's no way you could you could actually prove that she did it. So, why file a report? This is Okay, it doesn't We're fine. She's not going to file a report. This is just it'll smooth over. It'll it'll go over. It's okay. Perry is more than welcome to sue me. She won't because it happened. I have photos and it was literally in public and witnessed by multiple people. Katy, I I honestly, I'm trying to I'm trying to work with you here, but you're not working with me. I can't work with you if you don't work with me.

16:11There are photos out there? You didn't tell me about that. You didn't tell me that there was other people that there was witnesses. I knew there was the friend whose lap that she was sitting on, but you didn't tell me that there was multiple like what what

16:22What was going on? Sweetheart, what was going on to make you rub your puss and put it all over her face? What made you do that? What made you What made you decide to pet your furry and put it on her face? What made you do that? I just need to know. Then uh It's it's not going to be a report. But at the at the at the at the end of the day, there is still the court of public opinion. So, we still it will just gloss over. This will be all right. The headlines will change. But we at least need to know how to move the tide, okay? So, is there any Is there anything else? There is so much more that happened in the years leading up to her silly song she won't want me discussing. The psychological manipulation was strong with that one. So, she's she's really just this this Ruby Rose, she's really just saying, "Hey, I'm not going to do a It's been It's been like 20 years.

17:20This happened a while ago. I'm finally at the point where I can just come forward and

17:28Honestly, that's is disgusting. It really is. If this is if this is true. If this is true, that's disgusting. I could I would I I feel the same way and turns out cuz you really never hear of stories like this. The only time you hear of like a a woman sexual predator, it's like some teacher in Florida that's her student. So, it's it it feels different with something like this. And maybe it's because I'm not out there looking for it. Maybe it's one of those like, "Hey guy, it's actually everywhere." Did you Did you think about that? It happens every single day. It's It's in the news all the time. So, maybe it's just because it's Katy Perry that I even like came across this. But, it turns out that whether it is a man or a woman, it is equally disgusting. That I I couldn't imagine. She said she projectile vomited. And she's like, "Hey, you you can say what you want.

18:27You can You can say, 'Hey, this is just completely categorically false and it's not true.' You can gaslight all you want. But, uh I got pictures. I got witnesses. You know it happened and that's exactly why you aren't suing me." And honestly, when somebody says some like that, that's even that's even even more where it's like she's calling out the fact that she's not suing her, which is even more of like a damn, she really isn't going to do Like she really can't do anything. Maybe there is some truth to this. Maybe Katy Perry is some sort of sexual deviant and that's that sucks. You know, she kissed a girl, but the girl didn't like it. It's It sucks. You always you you hear that song and you you just assume it's consensual. You assume that it was consensual. Apparently apparently not. And in other news, Casper tell is crashing out.

19:23He is going to be done soon. I I don't I don't give him till maybe Halloween at the latest. He's going to be done. He's going to be done. I think um I think he's going to get fired. He's going to step down. He's going to do something. But, he will not be the director of the FBI for long. He uh he's causing some more trouble. You would think that this was because he didn't get to the bottom of the Epstein No, it's it's not. I think he could have possibly maybe have just skated by. At least at least for for a few more years. But, I don't know. Casper tell, our glorious director of the FBI, is current currently the subject of an exposé in The Atlantic that describes him as drinking until dawn and leaving the nation's premier law enforcement agency in a state of unprecedented mess. Wray's security clearance is now a legitimate concern while people question his stability publicly.

20:22So, Casper tell got a picture that went I guess around and made its rounds of him drinking. He was celebrating with the hockey team with the USA Olympics. I uh I guess I personally I don't see a problem with it. I don't see why people are getting so upset. I don't understand why their panties are in a bunch about this because for one, in the picture he's only drinking a beer. It's It's not like you have him with a crack pipe or some like that. He's a man, grown man, drinking a beer. And let's be honest. Let's be completely honest. How many How many people has he willingly that are just predators, that are just evil? How many people has he just willingly turn a blind eye to?

21:19Just look the other way. He's the same person that has been publicly humiliated over and over again. Everybody knows he's a coward at this point. Everybody knows that he is not a man that does what he said he was going to do. Whether he is evil, he might have been evil from the jump. I'm going to get to the bottom of these Epstein files. I'm going to release all of them. And he knew deep down the whole time that he wasn't going to release it. Maybe Maybe Maybe he had good intentions. He really did want to get to the bottom of this. Hey, you put me in charge of the FBI, I will get to the bottom of this. That is my promise. Scout's honor. Maybe. And then he gets in to the position that he said he was going to get in where he's going to make all of this change. And the people in charge for real came in and said, "No.

22:18You uh you're going to sit there and you're going to be the little puppet that you are while our hands are rested firmly up your ass. And the only time that you talk is when I tell you to. Okay, puppet? Okay? Is that understood? Do we understand each other? You're not getting to the bottom of anything. All right? There's no files. There's no files. If they ask, tell them that you would do it. Tell them, "Come on. It's you. It's Kash Patel. Everybody trusts you. Tell them uh Tell them if there was anything there don't they think that you would get to the bottom of it, that you would release it? And hopefully they believe you. And honestly, if they don't, it's going to be your ass that goes. It's going to be your ass. So,

23:11I I don't know. Judge him if you want. Judge him if you want. Wouldn't you be drinking? Who of us wouldn't be drinking at this point? Who wouldn't be doing something? He probably gets drug tested. He can't just just smoke some weed or do any drugs that that will that will show up in the system. He can't do anything like that. He's got to He's got to play this legal. He can't have another He can't have another slip-up. He can't afford to have another slip-up. So, he drinks. So what? We won. He's celebrating. What can be more American that? What can be more American than celebrating with the US hockey team after the Olympics? And you see you see in the picture that people are are worried about him. They're looking. You got that one guy just looking at him. It's like, man. And maybe it's just a little snapshot. Like it looks like that, but everybody was having a good time. But it from the looks of it, everybody else was chilling.

24:09And he was throwing it back. Can you blame him? That's the real question. Not should he have done it, not, you know, cuz let's let's be real. How many people drink and are completely functional? How many people do drugs and are completely functional? It's a He already wasn't functioning as the director of the FBI. He wasn't doing his job anyways. What are you upset about? What do you think's going to happen now? He's going to not release the Epstein files? He's not releasing the Epstein files. He's not He's not going to be getting to the bottom of anything. He's just a puppet. Of course, he's going to drink. Wouldn't you? What would you do? What would you do in this situation? Whether he's fired or resigns to spend more time with his family, the damage to his reputation has been done. And that might be for the best. I'm going to resign. I need to get some help. I'm going to take some me time. I'm going to take a sabbatical. It'll be indefinite. I'm going to leave. It's not you, it's me.

25:08And whether he was the evil person that came in knowing that he wasn't going to change or he was just the weak man that had uh a desire to change without the strength to actually do it. And maybe maybe that's a little bit harsh, right? Maybe maybe that's a little bit easy to say on the sidelines. Maybe that's how anybody would respond. We don't know. We don't know what the puppet master is like. We don't know. So, yeah, I knew that there were people there, but I I just I didn't know. You speak when I tell you to, puppet. There's nothing. There's nothing. So, no matter how his story is, no matter how the story goes, the only thing that's clear is he is cracking. He's cracking. He is losing it. And he's trying to he's trying to soothe his worries in the only way that he he really knows how.

26:13And and I for one, I can't blame him. I don't blame him. Not for that. I blame him for other things, but I don't blame him for that. And then again, it's easy to blame somebody from the sidelines. It's easy. He said, "I I didn't create the system. I wanted to change it. I thought I was strong enough. You do it. You think you're so good, you do it. You do it. I'm going to go drink a beer with the US hockey team. It's uh I don't know. It's understandable. This uh this country is going to anyways. This country is is just evolving Anyways, we're getting worse. We're not getting better. We're not staying the same. We're not stagnant. We're getting worse. Society is getting worse. Somehow, we're getting worse. Four people in Los Angeles were just convicted of a $140,000 insurance fraud scheme that involves a Rolls-Royce, a couple of Mercedes G Wagons, and a guy in a furry bear costume with kitchen claws taped to his hands.

27:17The plan was beautiful in its simplicity. Park your luxury cars in Lake Arrowhead, put on a brown bear suit, and maul the interior of your own car. They actually sent the video to the insurance companies as proof. They They thought the adjusters would just look at the grainy clip of a guy crawling through a window and say, "Yeah, that's definitely a 500-lb grizzly." We are We're losing our grips. We We as a society, as a culture, we are failing. We are fundamentally failing. And I'm scared. I'm scared cuz there's no stopping it. There's no stopping it. We are going to drive straight off the cliff. It's It's getting It's getting more and more clear. It's getting more and more clear. The um The fact that you are in California and you put on a bear suit. I don't even know. Are there Are there grizzlies in California?

28:16I know that on their the the whole California flag, it has like a grizzly bear, but are there actually grizzlies in California? And the California Department of Insurance eventually brought in a biologist from the Department of Fish and Wildlife to review the footage, who quickly confirmed this was definitely not a bear. We are losing our grips. You turned in the video. You turned in the evidence that they needed. I think you might have been better It might have been better to try to use AI or something like that. That would have been better than you putting on a whole suit. And I want to I want to pull up the the bear suit. This is This is This is sad. This is sad. And you can tell which one that that they would use to to actually scratch it up because it's the one with the the bent claw. Cuz it has six claws on it and that doesn't make sense. That'll That That'll be the thing that gives us away.

29:16Is if we have six claw marks. What bear has six toes? That doesn't make sense. We're going to have to bend one. God damn it. You think of everything. You think of everything. We'll be fine now. We'll be good. We'll be good. They eventually raided one of the suspects' homes and found the costume and kitchen claws. I uh I'm I'm just I'm disappointed. I'm ashamed. Honestly, I'm ashamed of of the way things are going. It's It's sad. It's sad. It's

29:56I I I just I'm I'm at a loss of words. I'm at a loss of words. I think I think I think that that maybe just maybe people like this need to be plucked off. The whole the whole auto drafting where you're automatically subject to a war, I was against it, but you if you have some way to to find people and round people up like this, I'm not saying you just you just round them all up and you you kill them. You put them in a prison. Just Just send them out. If you're going to do like senseless wars and like that, you just want to do like that, how about how about you just send the dumbasses? Keep Keep the the other American soldiers that are that are actually in in the they're serving their country for the reasons you would want them to and and make these go. Make them go. Please, please pull up the the the seat right here because this is ridiculous.

30:53You had to bend one of the one of the claws just to make sure that it looked accurate. Look at these scratches, dude. Is this Is this what you picture a bear would do? A bear's just going to break into your car and just kind of lightly scratch it up. You could clearly tell that you didn't want to scratch it up too much. So, scratch it, but don't like up the leather, bro. Like I'm going to need that. I'm going to need that. This is This is I I'm at a loss of words. I'm at a loss of words. What's What's happening to society is is devastating, man. It's devastating. I can't even like point back to a point in time where things weren't like this. Maybe it's always been like this. Maybe I am just now sticking my head up and I'm just looking around and saying, "Damn, there's a whole bunch of shit." In what world did you think that that would happen? And you sent in the video. You sent in the video that got you caught. And to be the to be the biologist that got called for that.

31:54Like this is what I went to school for. This is what This is what I did all of that time for. I'm a biologist in the Department of Fish and Wildlife. You You You bring me in to review this footage? Are you Are you kidding me? There's a zipper. There's a zipper right there. Look at that thing. Look at that thing. Look how it's walking. It just opened the car with its with its thumbs and Dude, come on. Did you need me? This is what I This what I get called for. I couldn't imagine. I couldn't imagine being that biologist. I'd feel like that biologist definitely went home. They poured themselves a glass of wine. They looked in the mirror. And they just thought it is it all is it all worth it? The long hours waking up every single morning. Your kids barely even know who you are because you're just all in. You've all you've been in all in. This is who you've always been.

32:50This was your dream to be a biologist to work for the Department of Fish and Wildlife. And now you're just looking in the mirror and you're asking yourself is it worth it? You get called in half the time it's just random grainy footage of some dumbass in a bear costume. You didn't need me. You didn't need me. You didn't need me. They don't need me anymore. This is This is what This is what we're doing. This is what we're doing to the people that are actually trying to make a difference. This is what we're doing. You have this biologist questioning their entire life now. Are you happy for yourself? You can't be You can't be happy. You can't be sitting in jail right now happy with yourself. Like damn, how did how did you get locked up? Well, what had happened was I You didn't You didn't just steal from some random insurance company.

33:49You took the spirit from a biologist that was already struggling. Was already questioning the meaning of their job. Was already questioning if this was the their path all along. You ruined a life. I hope you know that. You ruined a life.

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