How can you know that God is real?

0:00How are we supposed to know if God is real I think the right answer is you believe that God is real that's always the first step when you start thinking about the creator of the universe that's a big deal that's why faith is so important the universe is vast we're tiny in comparison but we're called to have a relationship with the creator of the universe so God is there especially when things are bad he's there when there's chaos he's there when you don't think he is just because he doesn't make himself this visible or known to you doesn't mean he's not working I guess so I'm fully I'm all for fully subscribed to there is a power greater than ourselves there is something obviously the universe didn't just pop up out of nowhere there's many studies now that kind of dispute The Big Bang

1:21Theory but how why why God why not Allah why not Buddha why how do we know or is it kind of kind of one of those things where we all have different names to it like different languages will say the same thing and they'll call it different things is it one of those or obviously it's not if you look at scripture but that's an excellent point God is God um but as strong as my faith is there are people all over the world whose faith is just as strong but they believe in a different god um it's difficult to say who's right who's wrong uh again it goes back to Faith if you believe strong enough you'll find your answer in that belief I know that sounds like a a platitude but it sounds a little hokey it sounds a little woo woo kind of like like when people start talking about manifestation I guess my Hang okay so let's let's kind of stick to where we are before we we continue for those people that do wholeheartedly believe in Allah or whatever

2:42Other Superior being what what about them do they are their souls not safe as far as God is concerned because most of what they believe in is due to circumstance you you know if you're in a place where it is not common to believe in the Christian God why why would you if you were raised Muslim everybody you know is Muslim why would you not follow suit and if you don't follow suit and you continue down that path what's to say for their souls as far as heaven or hell you know that's I think that's where my hangup is there's um a piece in scripture um when the Hebrews were still wandering they knew where the promised land was um but they didn't go in because they had sent spies to survey the promised land and the spies came back with a tail there are giants in that in that

4:07City we can't go we can't hope to beat them they're Giants there so they continue to wander around in the wilderness even though the promised land was right there in front of them and and by Promised Land what what exactly okay okay we again and it's kind of difficult to follow but it's not at the same time the Christian faith was initiated by the Jews so um the promised land is Israel but the promised land is not just a place it's a people when the people are in the promised land that's when it it manifests as the Promised Land um that may seem a bit disjointed but um this is how it was explained to me and audience I don't profess to be a Biblical scholar I don't profess to know um all there is to know about religion I just know about my walk with God and I believe that's what we're discussing today but back to my story they didn't think

5:29They could get into the promised land because there were giants in there okay Joshua said we should go in anyway God said that's a promised land is for us let's go they didn't do it so they want continue to wander in the wilderness for 40 years eventually they get into the promised land when they get in the promised land worldly things started happening they started to covet money they started to covet sin for lack of a better term while there Joshua the guy that wanted to go in 40 years ago he said you know you guys now have the the promised land you're here but you're you're putting God on the back burner now and that's fine your faith your religion is a result of free will but I'm going to go ahead and continue following God so to answer your question earlier how do you know

6:51Which is the right God which one has the right name or or something like that it's uh it's not an easy answer but it is an easy answer uh God is the creator of the universe if you choose to call him something else that's your walk okay so but if you don't accept Jesus Christ into your heart or something along those lines I don't know the exact the exact line or phrase but that's where you don't get accepted into into heaven for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that is the way to God's kingdom belief in Jesus Christ is that something that is going to Doom you in the Christian faith it is the only path to Heaven is through the sun okay so that's now that's where like a red flag would come up for me personally because let's say let's let's take it to uh a dark extreme for an example let's say

8:11You have a child a Muslim child that was raised Muslim on that's all they know they're a child so ignorance plays a factor into it too they might not even have they might not even have heard of Jesus Christ yet you know what I mean in their life and then something happen to them I was about to say God forbid I feel like that would be a weird play on words right in that moment but if something were God forbid to happened to that child I just I don't see it as one of those like well I'm sorry due to your circumstances due to where you were this innocent I mean cuz what child Soul wouldn't be innocent I mean obviously you got like child psychos probably out there but for the most you see what I'm trying to say I do I do it's not really fair I I agree I I don't think that that circumstance should bar a child from Heaven uh there's something called Grace that I think that does encapsulate that particular scenario children they get to pass because they haven't reached the age to make

9:31A choice for themselves they get a pass um we are born of sin all of us we're all Sinners and it's because of of Jesus Christ that those sins can be forgiven that's what scripture tells us is it uh a get out of jail free card because I've heard that that I'm not gonna lie in the Catholic faith and it's probably just how it's depicted on like TV and and things of that nature but Lord they they be going in there forgive me Father they say whatever their sins are all right three Hill marries it's what did I I just I guess I don't know I don't it just seems it does it seems a little hokey it seems a little bit well if you're part of the group you're part of the group and sorry if you're not just based on again circumstance and you say grace but then it says in black and white in the Bible which that's like God's word through the game of telephone like a long game of telephone and then you got King James version where he edited even more and um he took out uh was it the Book of Enoch or

10:54Something like that it it was he actually took scriptures out of it and if God gives grace to you because you might be younger does that mean that the old man that is Muslim that has just spent his whole life he's a good man he has done nothing he provided for his kids his kids kids and it's just his time I'm wondering does he not have any shot at Redemption just because he's not as innocent and because he had the chance to know Jesus Christ but didn't we are um we're Beyond black and white we're we're in a gray area right now okay uh and and that gray area is gray because as previously mentioned I I'm I'm not a Biblical scholar I am a common sense guy too so yeah in my mind God is is God just because we worship differently that doesn't change who created all that doesn't change it it's just as you stated previously uh different name for the same thing um

12:18And I'm not Catholic never been Catholic but I know several Catholics um and one in particular I recall telling me that that there was a lot of repetition there you know it was very little scripture but a lot of rehears responses uh and more ceremonial than actually studying the word of God I I I I'd like to think that again God is God and did we get it right uh by following uh the Christian faith well my faith tells me we did uh but that doesn't discount everyone else else's Faith as well does that make sense it does it does so I mean I feel like we landed the plane as much as we could as far as far as other conflicting faiths which based on what you're saying it might not even be as conflicting even though I'm sure there are people that have read through the

13:39Bible and the Quran and whatever other religious scriptures that there are out there and say actually there are conflictions here and here they say this and they say that so which one are you going to going to go with but what about the people where we're taking Faith aside and I know somewhere in the Bible it has like you know you're not supposed to put too much faith in yourself or like you know I did this you know God did this for you or whatever but what about if you just have faith in yourself as in I'm going to be the best person I know how to be I'm not going to lie steal all of the things the Ten Commandments and all that it's pretty you know what I mean Thou shalt not kill I'm not trying to kill anybody you know what don't putting I'm just playing but for real um but in in any of these cases though like if I'm not lying if I'm not stealing if I'm not murdering whatever they're already saying is good I agree with that my moral is already aligned with that as a person and I wouldn't say it's like spiritual and you know I'm I'm a spiritual person and this I don't know what I am in fact if if I had to say what I was I would just say I don't know and I'm pretty sure that's what agnostic is um but nobody truly knows and I think that's where faith comes in and the reason

15:00Why I have prayed I have read some of the Bible nowhere near I haven't never gotten even through Genesis just to be honest can't even get past Old Testament but I will notice that when I do those those things when I am praying please God if it's not in just a phrase like God forbid or God bless you or oh my God if I'm really praying to God it's because I'm going through something it's because I'm so down right now that I don't know what else to do and you turn to God and yes that's what you're supposed to do it just I can't help but those same morals that come come to play that tell me not to steal not to kill not to do any of that stuff and say don't be a hypocrite where you have not prayed whatsoever when everything was good but things go down you become homeless you go to jail you do this you do that whatever is going on then you want to pray what about after what about after you get through the bottom you start and you go right back up and you're on your high horse again are you still praying maybe for a little bit I think I prayed for like a week or two after the longest time I spent in jail I I prayed for like a week or two after and then it just slowly not intentionally

16:20Just slowly started to tap her off and when I go through these different dips and I since then have been tempted during those times to turn to God to pray to honestly listening to people like myON golden who teaches business practices Through the Bible it makes me want to be like man there is some real wisdom in there but then it's like okay why are you doing is it because you're down and you want to get up is it because you think there's business principles in there and you think that will help you become successful like are you truly showing up for God to show up for God are you showing up for you and then that hypocritical stance is really just it puts a bad taste in my mouth like man how can you ever look yourself in the mirror and feel like you're doing the right choice knowing it's cuz you're going through it right now you'll be all right thank you for sharing that and and for being forthcoming with your own uh path when you're down that's when you see uh Salvation that that's a step a lot of people aren't able to recognize the hypocrisy that we as a as a species

17:44We tend to to show the world um but everything that happens to us everything that happens um to those that we love that still impacts us I think God uses those negative periods in our lives he uses those to help us help others if you're in a relationship with God that doesn't mean that everything is going to be roses and and uh uh grape juice it it mean means that you are going to be tested because the enemy wants you to be in the world they don't he doesn't want you to be Godly so when those bad things happen and you recognize that the only way out of those bad things is when you pray to God when you're willing to acknowledge I've done I've done everything I can I I I don't know how to fix this

19:05When it's fixed that's part of your testimony if it's not fixed but it helps you go to a different path that's part of your testimony we all have lapses that's why it's so important that we we aren't just faithful as you said uh having good morals it's about actually being in a relationship with Jesus Christ and that may sound to Pat Uh but it's true it's just like any other relationship you have in your life if you don't feed it if you don't nurture it it's going to die and you become someone who is relying on just one person you I find peace knowing that when things go bad when things are good it's because God loves me even when it as my son I'm sure you remember there were

20:25Times when you got in trouble and I had to discipline you typically when that happened I would tell you uh I hate this I hate this part of being a dad but it was necessary in order to correct your path each time when those dips occur and you get through it that's God correcting your path I I understand completely what you're saying just like it just sounds like one of those again not to take take it back to the hypocrisy it's like one of those man you love coming around when you need some money when you when you broke as all get out you come around with your hand out and then friends again but when you get your paycheck I don't never hear from you I might you might you might talk to me a little bit after I do you a favor but then slowly but surely like every single time that's what happens and you say you hate that part about being a parent I guess it just makes me think like wow what

21:46About those people where that is the only time they talk to God so the only time God is a part of their life is when he's correcting them imagine being a parent and all you all you got was the discipline part was the correcting and putting back on on course you didn't get any of the teaching you how to ride a bike or any of the the fun fatherson things I just well but that's that's why I ended that with the importance of having a relationship with God if we're talking about someone who is only getting in trouble only being disciplined uh do they have a relationship or do they have a situationship it it's not God's job to make you perfect because we're not perfect we have that thing called Free Will and Free Will makes us believe that we are the baddest we are the strongest the toughest the smartest and we're not it's all right to be confident in everything but recognize that there's always going to be

23:08Someone smarter there's always going to be someone stronger there's always going to be someone else that's why it's so important for you instead of concentrating on the worldly things to concentrate on the things that are important when you do that you were in relationship when you just complain all the time and and uh well I need I need I need would you want to want that person to be your friend no no well it it's it's similar uh God like and don't discount Grace Grace is is one of those things that a a father has to a son no matter how much you mess up no matter how many bad grades no matter what I love you I will always love you I don't like what you do sometimes right but I love you now magnify that by a million a billion a trillion and that's what you're looking at we screw up but

24:31We're still loved and that gives me Comfort okay let me I'm trying to think of another word for it because I feel like I shouldn't say Devil's Advocate right now but but just kind of playing both sides of the fence the fact that people say that it brings them comfort which it's supposed to it kind of comes back to the common sense thing where it's like is that where this comes from cuz like you said when you're struggling it does make you feel better to know that there's something greater than you when you're doing good when when you have a an achievement and be like okay I did this but it wasn't just me it was because you know God did this for me you know he gave me the abilities to to do this whatever whatever words you want to use it just it's always for a sense of comfort and there's nothing wrong with that in the situation where it's exactly how it's pictured in the Christian religion but it kind of just makes me think and I'm trying to think of how to say this how to word it without offending anybody so it might just happen any anyways but

25:52It seems like it was something that was just made up to comfort us you know the same reason why Santa Claus and Easter Bunny and you know I give kisses to my kids when their Boo Boos are hurting and it doesn't actually make you feel better I don't have any magic lips I mean not that I'm aware of so what is that other than just another placebo effect that we use for Comfort except that's what we do with kids and it's easy to be like Oh Santa Claus oh yeah you want your daddy's or mommy's kisses of course and I just I can't help but think is this some sort of mass delusion that we all have bought into because we want to be comforted at the end of the day we want to be comfortable and when times are hard it just feels good like ah God got me something happens look at God something bad happens man devil devil just devil made me do it or that's the devil whatever what I don't know there's different shapes and sizes of religious people not everybody is as you know God with it so I don't I'm not exactly sure but everything you said as far as uh there's somebody smarter there's somebody stronger there's um you're never

27:12Going to be the best all of that I already like I said I align with that I don't the only thing in fact when I said earlier is the only thing that I would say that I believe in is that I don't know but I'm okay with being ignorant I wish um I was unique Mackey just for a moment I wish I was uh my pastor just for a moment I don't think that I have the um the necessary uh oratory skills that can Enlighten you I would challenge you to seek out opportunities to learn though I'm not saying that in one Sunday your your uh all your answers will be given I'm not saying that I'm saying it's a start right now your your um confusion your lack of knowledge your I don't know that is being starved because you're not pursuing

28:34Knowledge in in that particular era area so I would recommend that next Sunday uh next Tuesday we have men's group we have uh uh regular church service but feed that inquisit nature that you have if you truly want to get answers and he says it every every Sunday our passenger Pastor excuse me gez cut that out anyway uh he says you may not even be a Christian but we're glad you're here you may you're looking for answers maybe we can answer them for you he says that because he knows that everyone aren't we aren't all believers and we do have questions so if you want to pursue knowledge that is a step is it your only step absolutely not uh there are other things you could do you you there are other things you can do but

29:54The most important thing is fellowship don't just be around people who uh think just like you go go and be around people who are maybe a little bit farther along on their walk maybe that can educate you just like you turn to uh I I sorry I don't I'm not familiar with the gentleman you mentioned before the spiritual aspects golden yeah I'm I'm not familiar with that young man but uh just like you went to him uh for knowledge that's great but fellowshipping is important being actually in in the presence of other people who genuinely want to help you see not I wasn't necessarily going to to his page um for that either and I wasn't so I'm not one of those people that get turned off by it unless it's like one of those I'm holier than thou you know what I mean but that's that's a people thing I would I would assume just like with every group or whatever but no I went there for the business practices

31:15My thing is is I know that I have questions that are impossible to answer without one of those and I know this sounds hokey and I know it sounds a little hoey just like and who am I but a DOT upon a DOT upon a DOT and a c of dots to even ask for a more straightforward answer to even say you know what I don't want all of that who I need to know 1 + 2 equals 3 but I uh you want theing of answers and not even like where like I want where things don't make sense to me like how did you live to be 800 something years old how how did Adam and Eve have kids without incest how cuz what and then and then when you had Cain and Abel it's just like then where did where did Cain it said somewhere in the Bible or then Cain ends up having a wife it's just like who the only other woman was like his mom or something like that and obviously I don't know exactly so you know correct me if I'm wrong I'm cool with being corrected but I know that there's something in there that a little weird that's like okay how does that work and then with the age thing how does that work and then it's all of all

32:36Of the other stuff that I said where it's like okay well because you didn't accept Jesus Christ you won't make it you just don't you can't sit with us sorry like you get cut from the table I uh and I know I know I think I think that's my problem with it is I have heard so many of these answers and it is it it all comes down to Faith and it's just like it's hard to have faith in something that excludes so many innocent people what's faith believing in something without the evidence there to substantiate your belief let me tell you a story um back in the 1920s uh a gentleman who he was an acrobat and he his thing was O sorry his his thing was um tight rope walking could it be me yes that that that takes courage it takes um dexterity that I don't possess I couldn't do it but he actually decided you know this during

33:57The Depression and everything he decided that you know what I'm going to give the people something to cheer about so in New York City he ran a line across two skyscrapers okay I think I've heard about this before and I bet you haven't he uh he he decided he was going to walk across it and he advertised it and everything uh and he had a safety net okay he he did it one day and he just he did it I mean it was a buildup and everybody cheered everybody was happy and everything and then he did it again fewer people showed up he did it again even fewer people showed up okay I see I'm going to have to up the Stak a little bit so he goes to two taller buildings and he strung the U tight tight rope across and this time he didn't use a net no net so as they're building this up and everything you know the crowds gathered everybody's cheering his name they're

35:20Saying oh we believe in you you can do it we I know you can do this we have faith in you yes show us he then went and got a wheelbarrow since you have faith in me get in the wheelbarrow let's go across this rope together you know how many people step forward zero zero of course it's easy to have faith in something that is of this world faith is one of those things that is Supernatural so when you talk about Cain and Abel and Adam and E Adam and Eve and I believe me I've had those same questions I've had those exact same questions there was a time when I just threw my hands up and gave up gave up believing then things started happening in my life that why did that happen why did that happen

36:42And after a time I recognize that he doesn't just show up when bad things happen he shows up when good things happen too do you ever think do you ever think that that's our brains kind of like how we are designed to recognize patterns do you ever think that's your brain's way of like you said you're wanting to know why that was just the answer that your brain gave yourself not saying that have I ever thought that yes do I think that now no growing up you should know that I was analytical I'm always always watching science shows and uh I I I valued knowledge I still do but there are things that knowledge can explain or science can explain and in those time periods that's where you find your faith M those 40 years that they were wandering in the forest or in the wilderness

38:04Is what uh the biblical text tells us um we didn't have anything to to eat so he told Jose or or they complained to Joseph and they eventually God provided Mana have you heard of that I've heard of it like in video games I think yeah well I'm sure uh but originally in the in the first video game we'll call it the Bible uh they that's what they survived on for the 40 years and it kept them strong it allowed them to to carry on what what was it supposed to be it was uh something God provided yeah I I wasn't there okay okay the way your face was was like it was something you know what I mean I mean I I can't I can't say what it is because I I I never tasted it yeah you know but this is what survive what allowed them to survive for so long but you know towards the end they started again

39:29Rebelling ew I want something else well we've been eating this the same thing for so long rather than being thankful for what he provided that see that's that's the tell that's one thing we're going it's the third time at this point like I'm G bring this man's name up one more time myON gold was listening to one of his videos I just want to give him his credit cuz he really did make me think about something with the whole garden Eden thing one of Man's first sins wasn't just to disobey God it was actually to focus on lack they put them in the garden where it said they have everything for for free everything that they they could want the only thing they couldn't have is the one tree which was in the center of the garden it said and he said so basically they had to go all the way around the garden go through all of the the blessings and things that they could have the things that they were already blessed to have to go in the middle and then of course that's when they see The Serpent and Serpent's supposed to be the devil and the devil gets them to focus on the one thing that they couldn't have is to focus on the lack as opposed to the plentiful Garden that they they were able to freely you know walk through and I was just like man

40:49Cuz it it it really is I mean kids kids are one of the the most Prime examples that's not fair why do why does he have that not don't like it's like we're just programmed to to almost you have you know you have 10 things but you're you're focused on the one one thing that you don't have or whatever whatever the case is you could literally use that same example with different things and people are just people and that's a story that goes back as oldest time I just uh it made me think of that when you said that it's like man instead of being grateful for the supply of Mana that they had that was able to nourish them for all these years in the wilderness they wanted to start complaining about it but then when they saw the promised land they also saw the hurdles aka the Giants and thought that that was too much for them so I'd rather sit here where I don't have to go face something a little bit frightening maybe a little bit uncomfortable and I'd rather complain about where I'm at as opposed to doing anything to get to where I'm going or to just be happy with where I'm at either I think uh I mean I mean really both is probably the way to go right be happy where you're at and focus on where you're going next well yes I that that makes perfect sense uh be

42:10Thankful for what you have and strive for your next step be thankful for what you have and strive for your next step I like that when we believe something let's take religion out of when we believe something without uh without evidence without anything to back it up uh that is that's how you can get through certain things uh and I don't want to sound cryptic or anything but an example there are those who think that all black people are criminals if they see a black person coming along they may walk to the on the other side of the road or grip their purse a little bit tighter oh yeah lock their car doors even if there was no danger yeah that made them feel good doing it it made them feel as if they are protecting themselves they are uh uh keeping something bad from happening to them

43:33I think that having faith in something good is more powerful than believing something bad and it's it goes back to what you said earlier um it does make you feel good knowing that the creator of the universe cares about little old me and that is a tenant of the Christian faith God loves you so if you're going to believe a portion of religion you you have to believe it all really because you don't you don't get to say I'm going to heaven and still be afraid of dying that's that's faith I mean that's that's true Faith H feel like you could be scared of dying even though if you know where you're going no you your your fear is not because

44:55Or should not not be because you're dying it should be a a despair because of the people you're leaving behind but empowering at the same time because you know eventually you'll see them again or at least that's what faith tells us that's what the Bible tells us yeah I mean I think yeah oh and you said something earlier that was interesting to me uh you hadn't gotten through Genesis yet don't sell yourself short there are a lot of people a lot lot of uh Christian people who haven't read the entire Bible give give yourself a little Grace as well and I would recommend you not start with the Old Testament Genesis and you know all of those I would recommend you start with the New Testament because that is going to help you in the in the in the short term in other

46:16Words uh the Old Testament is what they call a slow burn it takes a long time for things to get to where it needs to be but give yourself some great Grace and start with the the gospels that I I think that that's when it's like the book book of job and stuff like that no like the book of different people like that's what it is when you say Matthew Mark Luke and John see I know I SED so ignorant um I mean I I've heard of those names like as far as like a knowing that they're biblical so I knew song I don't know but yeah you you chose this topic what what is what is your what is your direction now I mean I you you've Illustrated already what you what you thought previously as far as um religion but where do you go from here I think it would be interesting not that we've you know open some magic door or anything right but I'd like to think that some of the insights that I provided are

47:38At least enough to get you curious at least enough to make you want to let me see about this as opposed to well I know there's a higher power uh the end it's like and there are things that I agree I agree with a lot of the philosophies and morals I think the Bible is a very good book to have a more civilized civilization you know what I mean like it's uh it makes sense like a lot of it makes sense but then this kind of goes back to what you said earlier where if you're going to believe some of it you got to have you got to believe all of it you can't say that heaven and God exist if you don't believe in hell and the devil so it's and not saying that that's the part that I don't believe I think it's a lot of what I was talking about earlier I don't I don't know what direction to go I just know that I always want to be that person that when I have questions I go try and seek the answer and I don't ever want to be too bigheaded or too full of myself to where I expect what I believe to be true to be true 100% the time in fact I look forward

48:58To saying okay let me test my frame of reference with this test my frame of reference with that and eventually I actually grow it took a long time but that's the whole meaning of life for for me it's like just personal growth and personal growth comes not only uh just serving yourself and stuff like that is through serving others so it's like there's a lot of what you said that I agree with but they might be on different principles like I'm good with testing what I don't know but at the end of the day when I get the answers and they still leave me just like that is where you could continue down the rabbit hole and say well let me go to church now let me ask somebody who has spent decades studying the Bible and this and that there's just so many things that are said right there in black and white that I just I just I don't agree with and it's not for me to agree or disagree with I guess I'm leaning on that Grace you're talking about that's the direction I'm going is that God Allah whoever Universe the being that is above me because I know for sure that it ain't anybody that BS like me that there not going to be any of us so whatever is bigger

50:22Than me I hope that they at least see that I I am trying to be as good of a person as I can not to find my way to heaven or to escape hell but because that's what I want amplify the things that I like and suppress the things that I don't and I I do like that I like seeing things that I don't know and I'll learn more about it but I don't know man I don't know P I just I'm just going to keep trying to be a good person and I am open to any sort of information that may swing me to one side or the other the one thing I do know anything satanic anything like Devil worshiping anything like that's never been me so like that's I think that's the extreme like you know why risk it you know if you don't know you're just GNA flip the coin and be like I'm gonna go with that guy with the horns so I don't know yeah I think that's where I'm I'm leaning okay fair enough um one day soon not soon uh because you know I had other commitments um but I'm going to swing by going to pick you up and we're going to go to church

51:46Okay and again it it's not so much to convince you more so it's to feed an obvious desire to know more for you it's like The Human Experience of course AB it's like all of it all of it and that is a part of it so where do we come from yeah absolutely but I think that's when it when you have to rely solely on faith it does it does get a little bit hard especially when there's conflicting ideologies which technically what you you say isn't isn't bad either you know what I mean they all have like things that we can all nod our head in agreement to well I mean uh I've already mentioned that uh Christianity Christianity is based on uh Jews right the promised land Israel all of that Jesus Christ is Jewish yeah so there are similarities there I mean the Jewish people don't consider Jesus Christ the son of God they consider him a a prophet so it your confusion is well-founded

53:07My confusion is well founded I still have questions uh I think that what helps me is a and I'm sure will help you is a willingness to seek answers to a a willing to willingness to learn yeah that's with everything so I mean I'm I'm down pops I'm down to go again I've gone before but I mean like I said I'm down okay sounds like a plan you heard it here first there you go is that really what how you want to end it